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		<title>By: Free Petrol? Free Pizza! &#124; Song for Jasmine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Petrol? Free Pizza! &#124; Song for Jasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that can show electricity use by the second as it happens. That&#8217;s how he found out that his gas oven uses 300W of electricity. How many people would even guess that a gas oven uses electricity, never mind as much as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the clickers (piezoelectric sparkers) would melt under high heat.  I assume that the glow-bars turn on when the oven reaches it&#039;s set temperature and the gas goes off, performing the same function that a pilot light would have in the olden days.  But a traditional pilot light (such as the ones in my gas furnace and water heaters) stay on all the time, which is probably worse, from an energy standpoint, than the glow bar, especially given that most people these days think the oven is a good place to store dishes, rather than for baking :-)
So why not both?  A glow bar could turn on when the oven was turned on, thereby lighting a pilot light, which would then stay on as long as the oven was on.  Ah, but a rhetorical question, since the issue with pilot lights is that they can blow out, and if the gas valve turns on without a pilot (or glow bar) to re-ignite the oven, the house fills with gas and any little spark will ignite far more than the gas burner.
So there&#039;s a safety device on pilot-lit gas values called a thermocouple -- the heat of the pilot light causes a length of copper wire to expand, pushing open the safety valve -- pilot out, safety valve closes and ... well the good news is that your house doesn&#039;t explode; the bad news is that this tends to happen on Saturday so you call a plumber to replace this $5 part at double-time and $155 later, you&#039;re good to go.
But the pilot + thermocouple means the pilot&#039;s on all the time.  A glow bar uses a separate safety mechanism (I am guessing) -- if the glow bar burns out, there&#039;s no current, and without current, the valve won&#039;t open.  Same result, different solution.  So some genius said &quot;the glow bar will only be on when the oven is being used and but the gas is off because the oven is warm enough&quot;.  Smart genius, lousy engineer created a thing that uses 300W to light up a very thick bit of metal enough to cause it to ignite gas -- has to be thick because it would melt under the heat of the regular oven if it were thinner.  And, as a plumber who commented with the original answer noted, the glow bar eventually burns out (like the thermocouple) and needs to be replaced, giving a nice source of incremental revenue to the service companies that fix these things for us.
Of course they could come up with a simple solution that would a) use little or no electricity, b) use little or no extra gas, c) be reliable and safe, and d) last for the lifetime of the oven.  But that would be complicated ... and also would cut in to those high-markup service calls.  Am I cynical, or is that all there is to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the clickers (piezoelectric sparkers) would melt under high heat.  I assume that the glow-bars turn on when the oven reaches it&#8217;s set temperature and the gas goes off, performing the same function that a pilot light would have in the olden days.  But a traditional pilot light (such as the ones in my gas furnace and water heaters) stay on all the time, which is probably worse, from an energy standpoint, than the glow bar, especially given that most people these days think the oven is a good place to store dishes, rather than for baking :-)</p>
<p>So why not both?  A glow bar could turn on when the oven was turned on, thereby lighting a pilot light, which would then stay on as long as the oven was on.  Ah, but a rhetorical question, since the issue with pilot lights is that they can blow out, and if the gas valve turns on without a pilot (or glow bar) to re-ignite the oven, the house fills with gas and any little spark will ignite far more than the gas burner.  </p>
<p>So there&#8217;s a safety device on pilot-lit gas values called a thermocouple &#8212; the heat of the pilot light causes a length of copper wire to expand, pushing open the safety valve &#8212; pilot out, safety valve closes and &#8230; well the good news is that your house doesn&#8217;t explode; the bad news is that this tends to happen on Saturday so you call a plumber to replace this $5 part at double-time and $155 later, you&#8217;re good to go.</p>
<p>But the pilot + thermocouple means the pilot&#8217;s on all the time.  A glow bar uses a separate safety mechanism (I am guessing) &#8212; if the glow bar burns out, there&#8217;s no current, and without current, the valve won&#8217;t open.  Same result, different solution.  So some genius said &#8220;the glow bar will only be on when the oven is being used and but the gas is off because the oven is warm enough&#8221;.  Smart genius, lousy engineer created a thing that uses 300W to light up a very thick bit of metal enough to cause it to ignite gas &#8212; has to be thick because it would melt under the heat of the regular oven if it were thinner.  And, as a plumber who commented with the original answer noted, the glow bar eventually burns out (like the thermocouple) and needs to be replaced, giving a nice source of incremental revenue to the service companies that fix these things for us.</p>
<p>Of course they could come up with a simple solution that would a) use little or no electricity, b) use little or no extra gas, c) be reliable and safe, and d) last for the lifetime of the oven.  But that would be complicated &#8230; and also would cut in to those high-markup service calls.  Am I cynical, or is that all there is to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had to replace my glowbar igniter in my oven... I understand the function it provides, but I wonder why they don&#039;t use one of those &quot;clickie&quot; spark igniters for the oven.... that would use a ton less energy and still provide the spark to ignite gas in case the flame somehow goes out.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased a TED 5000 unit a few weeks ago and have started figuring out how to make sense of the data. I guess it shows there is a lot of upside that my base usage seems to be about at your peak! I have yet to go around measuring discrete consumption points, but in the dead of night we might get down to 450kW. Part of this is known - I have several large fish tanks that NEED to stay running and all are planted and so needs lights on for a portion of the day. And obvious the refrigerator runs regularly along with other &quot;required&quot; devices (clock radios, etc.) But beyond that I&#039;m not sure where it all goes! I have some work do to.
I&#039;ve had some problems with the TED system I am trying to get resolved, but over measurement isn&#039;t one of them. Can you point me to some hits at what you have done to isolate consumption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased a TED 5000 unit a few weeks ago and have started figuring out how to make sense of the data. I guess it shows there is a lot of upside that my base usage seems to be about at your peak! I have yet to go around measuring discrete consumption points, but in the dead of night we might get down to 450kW. Part of this is known &#8211; I have several large fish tanks that NEED to stay running and all are planted and so needs lights on for a portion of the day. And obvious the refrigerator runs regularly along with other &#8220;required&#8221; devices (clock radios, etc.) But beyond that I&#8217;m not sure where it all goes! I have some work do to. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had some problems with the TED system I am trying to get resolved, but over measurement isn&#8217;t one of them. Can you point me to some hits at what you have done to isolate consumption?</p>
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		<title>By: Google PowerMeter Showed Me How and Why I Was Wrong &#124; Five Percent: Conserve a Little Energy</title>
		<link>http://fivepercent.us/2009/09/20/obsessive-compulsive-excessive-consumption-detection-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-62425</link>
		<dc:creator>Google PowerMeter Showed Me How and Why I Was Wrong &#124; Five Percent: Conserve a Little Energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you have noticed: I am a little obsessive with my measurement of energy usage. Despite being an energy saving zealot, we still use our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Harrison</title>
		<link>http://fivepercent.us/2009/09/20/obsessive-compulsive-excessive-consumption-detection-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-62380</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles --  Monitoring is more about awareness; it&#039;s not a chore.  Energy is just one of several important aspect that affect our lives, like weather, time, baseball scores, news, kids&#039; homework, finances.  I have seen evidence in my house as well as others that I have been in that it&#039;s quite easy to get complacent.  I check the thermometer before heading out in the morning and adjust accordingly, and we have a little weather forecaster thing in our kitchen so I know if I should bring an umbrella.  It&#039;s not harder to dress, it&#039;s easier.
Energy monitoring is cool because unlike the weather, you have some ability to respond and take control.  We use much less electricity than we used to because by keeping track of our use, we have found numerous ways to keep the house more comfortable and properly lit while using considerably less energy.  We&#039;re saving around $100 per month on our electricity bill as a result of understanding all the little things that use electricity without knowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles &#8212;  Monitoring is more about awareness; it&#8217;s not a chore.  Energy is just one of several important aspect that affect our lives, like weather, time, baseball scores, news, kids&#8217; homework, finances.  I have seen evidence in my house as well as others that I have been in that it&#8217;s quite easy to get complacent.  I check the thermometer before heading out in the morning and adjust accordingly, and we have a little weather forecaster thing in our kitchen so I know if I should bring an umbrella.  It&#8217;s not harder to dress, it&#8217;s easier.</p>
<p>Energy monitoring is cool because unlike the weather, you have some ability to respond and take control.  We use much less electricity than we used to because by keeping track of our use, we have found numerous ways to keep the house more comfortable and properly lit while using considerably less energy.  We&#8217;re saving around $100 per month on our electricity bill as a result of understanding all the little things that use electricity without knowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you install energy efficient products like geothermal systems and insulate properly, there shouldn&#039;t be a need to monitor constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you install energy efficient products like geothermal systems and insulate properly, there shouldn&#8217;t be a need to monitor constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fay</title>
		<link>http://fivepercent.us/2009/09/20/obsessive-compulsive-excessive-consumption-detection-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-62366</link>
		<dc:creator>David Fay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
My baseload of 75 watts didn&#039;t come easy. It took a lot of time and energy to track down every little always-on device in the house and make a decision about whether we really needed it. In the end, the biggest difference was when we got rid of cable TV and the set-top box that chewed up many watts even in standby mode. By the way, we don&#039;t even miss it.
What&#039;s left are a cable modem box (for internet access), a router, cordless phones, and a few clocks.
In all honesty, the only reason we can get this low is that only my wife and I live here now. If our children were still with us, we&#039;d be hardpressed to hit 250 watts baseload.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>My baseload of 75 watts didn&#8217;t come easy. It took a lot of time and energy to track down every little always-on device in the house and make a decision about whether we really needed it. In the end, the biggest difference was when we got rid of cable TV and the set-top box that chewed up many watts even in standby mode. By the way, we don&#8217;t even miss it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s left are a cable modem box (for internet access), a router, cordless phones, and a few clocks.</p>
<p>In all honesty, the only reason we can get this low is that only my wife and I live here now. If our children were still with us, we&#8217;d be hardpressed to hit 250 watts baseload.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: David Fay</title>
		<link>http://fivepercent.us/2009/09/20/obsessive-compulsive-excessive-consumption-detection-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-62365</link>
		<dc:creator>David Fay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
The energy graphs at http://energy.shadypixel.com are made from a bunch of open source software that I strung together (under the guidance of my son Avery Fay, who is the one that really understands all this software stuff).
It works like this. The software framework is collectd (http://collectd.org/) -- a program that periodically collects information from computers or other hardware using input modules that have been written by various contributors. Collectd then passes the information along to output modules which store the information in a database, pass it to another computer, graph it and so forth.
The input module I use (&quot;ted&quot; by name) reads the household power levels from The Energy Detective (TED). I have it set to read TED every second (the fastest TED can be read), giving me the highest resolution energy traces I have seen on the web.
The output module I use is called rrdtool, for round-robin database tool (http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/). It passes the TED energy values to another computer that is on the web (shadypixel.com), which then puts them into a round-robin database (so no database management is required) and then creates graphs from the data which I use to update a web page (energy.shadypixel.com) every minute.
But maybe the coolest thing (literally) is that the computer that runs collectd is a plug computer (SheevaPlug running linux) that I bought for $100 (its projected cost long term is $50) and which consumes only 5 watts. This is a big improvement over my former setup in which collectd ran on my laptop, which uses 25 watts and which had to be disconnected from TED whenever I needed to take it on the road. With a SheevaPlug dedicated to TED, I get a 24 x 7 energy record from anywhere on the Web and I don&#039;t feel guilty about burning 5 watts to get it.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>The energy graphs at <a href="http://energy.shadypixel.com" rel="nofollow">http://energy.shadypixel.com</a> are made from a bunch of open source software that I strung together (under the guidance of my son Avery Fay, who is the one that really understands all this software stuff).</p>
<p>It works like this. The software framework is collectd (<a href="http://collectd.org/" rel="nofollow">http://collectd.org/</a>) &#8212; a program that periodically collects information from computers or other hardware using input modules that have been written by various contributors. Collectd then passes the information along to output modules which store the information in a database, pass it to another computer, graph it and so forth.</p>
<p>The input module I use (&#8220;ted&#8221; by name) reads the household power levels from The Energy Detective (TED). I have it set to read TED every second (the fastest TED can be read), giving me the highest resolution energy traces I have seen on the web.</p>
<p>The output module I use is called rrdtool, for round-robin database tool (<a href="http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/" rel="nofollow">http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/</a>). It passes the TED energy values to another computer that is on the web (shadypixel.com), which then puts them into a round-robin database (so no database management is required) and then creates graphs from the data which I use to update a web page (energy.shadypixel.com) every minute.</p>
<p>But maybe the coolest thing (literally) is that the computer that runs collectd is a plug computer (SheevaPlug running linux) that I bought for $100 (its projected cost long term is $50) and which consumes only 5 watts. This is a big improvement over my former setup in which collectd ran on my laptop, which uses 25 watts and which had to be disconnected from TED whenever I needed to take it on the road. With a SheevaPlug dedicated to TED, I get a 24 x 7 energy record from anywhere on the Web and I don&#8217;t feel guilty about burning 5 watts to get it.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: David Fay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
I&#039;ve been thinking along similar lines -- writing software to identify the energy signature of each appliance. This approach even has a name: Non-Intrusive Load Monitoring. Here&#039;s a website with some background on NILM and its history: http://www.openamr.org/wiki/NILM
NILM is an active academic research area but I think a different approach may be more productive -- multichannel residential energy monitors. Imagine having a separate monitor for each circuit in your house. There would still be multiple light fixtures, for example, on each circuit, but the heavy hitter energy consuming appliances tend to be on separate circuits so you could get a separate trace for each one. At least I think so. I haven&#039;t tried this yet, although I&#039;ve identified a good candidate for the monitor: the Brultech ECM-1240. It costs about the same as a TED but has 7 channels so it can monitor total energy plus six circuits. What&#039;s more, you can chain multiple ECM-1240&#039;s together. Very exciting and the hardware hackers at cocoontech.com are all over it (http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12187&amp;st=135)
Ultimately, we would like to have smart devices that monitor and report their energy usage over house wiring to a central server. But I&#039;m not holding my breath. In the meantime, monitoring at the circuit level may be the next step.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking along similar lines &#8212; writing software to identify the energy signature of each appliance. This approach even has a name: Non-Intrusive Load Monitoring. Here&#8217;s a website with some background on NILM and its history: <a href="http://www.openamr.org/wiki/NILM" rel="nofollow">http://www.openamr.org/wiki/NILM</a></p>
<p>NILM is an active academic research area but I think a different approach may be more productive &#8212; multichannel residential energy monitors. Imagine having a separate monitor for each circuit in your house. There would still be multiple light fixtures, for example, on each circuit, but the heavy hitter energy consuming appliances tend to be on separate circuits so you could get a separate trace for each one. At least I think so. I haven&#8217;t tried this yet, although I&#8217;ve identified a good candidate for the monitor: the Brultech ECM-1240. It costs about the same as a TED but has 7 channels so it can monitor total energy plus six circuits. What&#8217;s more, you can chain multiple ECM-1240&#8242;s together. Very exciting and the hardware hackers at cocoontech.com are all over it (<a href="http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12187&amp;st=135" rel="nofollow">http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12187&amp;st=135</a>)</p>
<p>Ultimately, we would like to have smart devices that monitor and report their energy usage over house wiring to a central server. But I&#8217;m not holding my breath. In the meantime, monitoring at the circuit level may be the next step.</p>
<p>David</p>
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